Should a teams lack of support and bullpen incompetence be held against a SP when determining Cy Young winner?

A lot of great pitchers get hosed by lack of support and blown saves. But he could be a better pitcher than the guy who wins Cy Young, but just because their team blew a lot of their starts they get overlooked.

Should a teams lack of support and bullpen incompetence be held against a SP when determining Cy Young winner?
I agree completely with you, but I know that it will continue to happen all the time because voters are so enamored with wins, one of the most arbitrary measures of a pitcher's ability.





The example that always comes to mind for me is 1991, when Bob Welch won the AL Cy Young. He had an amazing record of 27-6, and his ERA was an excellent 2.95. However, Roger Clemens had a very good record too, 21-6, and an incredible 1.93 ERA. I understand that wins are nice, but an ERA over 1.00 better than the winner? That's ridiculous! Clemens was essentially punished for not being on as strong a team.





I'm not sure who gets stiffed this season, but Dan Haren is a candidate. He's the best pitcher in the AL, but the voters might go for Beckett because he's on a first-place team and has a load of wins.
Reply:NO, I think they should be Rewarded By Playing Good Baseball like at the BREWERS, DIAMONDBACKS, and TIGERS I'm proud of those Guys in Arizona, Milwaukee, and Detroit.
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Reply:true,cause right know nobody is talking about tim hudson as a cy young award winner.i mean wickman has blown 4 saves when hudson pitched and costed hudson at least .30 on his era.
Reply:No.





A Cy Young winner should be chosen as the Cy Young winner for THEIR season not the teams season.
Reply:The knee-jerk reaction is to say "no way", but in reality you have two very separate issues here with different answers.





As to blown saves, this factor shouldn't count much against you. All you can do is a starter is control the game while you are in the game, and that means givning your team a chance to win.


In this day and age, even the best starters are pulled late in the game, so wins are very subject to how well your pen pitches.





Lack of supprt is a different issue. Your job as a pitcher is to win games, or leave the game with your team ahead. That means pitching well enough to win. That means giving up 5 when you score 6 or only giving up 2 when you score three.





Some of the games greatest pitchers (Jack Morris, Andy Petite, David Wells, among others) were masters of pitching well enough to win. There is something to be said for that.





So, the run support issue must be looked at with a little grain of salt.
Reply:Yeah I think its a load of crap when that happens. I remember a few years back, in Randy Johnson's last year with the Diamondbacks before going to the yankees he had 290 stikeouts, 2.60 era and a .90 whip but had a 16-14 record. Roger Clemens ended up winning the Cy Young with 218 Ks, 2.98 era a 1.16 whip and an 18-4 record. Regardless of record, who was clearly the most dominant pitcher? This was one of the biggest robberies I could remember. Yeah I know baseball is supposed to be a team sport, but when your team doesn't come through for you, it shouldn't hurt you when being considered for individual accolades. The only award that should take into account what a team does is the world series. Individual awards such as CY Young and MVP should not involve any team statistics at all.
Reply:No, of course it shouldn't. This is why wins are one of the most useless stats in determining how effective a pitcher is. Once the pitcher is out of the game, whether he gets a win or not is usually out of his hands and has nothing to do with how well he pitched.
Reply:Definitely not.


Say a pitcher allows 1 run in a complete game but his team doesn't support him at all, he gets the loss and still has an awesome ERA.